Philosophy for Children
Dec 19, 2010Because of their innocent approach to things, do children make good philosophers? Or do they lack the equipment for clear-thinking?
While licking a pot, six-year-old Tim asks: "Papa, how can we be sure that everything is not a dream?" His father admits he has no idea. Tim says "Well, I don't think everything is a dream, ‘cause in a dream people wouldn't go around asking if it was a dream."
That’s an example from Gareth Matthews, a philosopher who has gotten interested in the idea that children are natural philosophers; they ask interesting philosophical questions and come up with interesting answers.
This week’s program was recorded at the Northwest Center for Philosophy for Children. We talk with the founder and director, Jana Mohr Lone, about the work of the Center. But for most of the program, we talk to fourth-graders about identity, personal identity, the mind and the body and the nature of happiness.
Confronted with issues like the ship of Theseus, what to say about brain transplants, whether the mind is the brain, and whether happiness is a feeling or something more complicated, the children come up with a range of responses that pretty much corresponds to the solutions philosophers have offered.
I think you’ll enjoy it!
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Socrates was executed for corrupting the youth. In America, youth below college age are usually not exposed to philosophy in the classroom. Is philosophy all that dangerous?
Back in the middle ages, people thought of children simply as little adults. Modern psychology has destroyed that theory. But then, what is a child?
Why do some people have a strange desire to do weird things for no (good) reason? There's something fascinating about kids who eat laundry soap as part of a “challenge,” or people who deliberately... Read more
Making a better world would be a great thing—but do we need philosophers to help us do that? Famously (or infamously), not all philosophers have been such great people. So are they the folks we... Read more
In her time—the 4th century CE—Hypatia was one of the most famous philosophers in Alexandria, and indeed in the ancient world. She studied and taught mathematics,... Read more
Mexican philosophy is full of fascinating ideas, from Mexica ("Aztec") and Mayan thought to Sor Juana’s feminism and Emilio Uranga’s existentialism... Read more
Your friendly neighborhood Senior Prodcuer here, once again stepping out from behind the mixing board to bring you some bonus content from this week's 17th (!) annual Summer Reading special.... Read more
Gender is a controversial topic these days. To some, gender is an oppressive system designed to keep women down: people go around saying "girls are made of sugar and spice and boys are made of... Read more
Fascism is on the rise, new infectious diseases keep cropping up, and we’re on the verge of environmental collapse: how on earth could art possibly save us? The arts are may be nice distraction,... Read more
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Following up on last year's not-so-new experiment, here's a little behind-the-scenes look into the brief audio montages (produced... Read more
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This week we’re thinking about how to create a world in which our leaders are not just effective legislators, but also good people.
Some might think there are not enough leaders like that... Read more
This week we're thinking about the British Liberal tradition and its relationship to colonialism and self-government. Classical Liberal thinkers, like John Locke and John Stuart Mill, held that... Read more
This week we’re thinking about Collective Action and Climate Change. With floods and fires getting more frequent and intense, and with the summer just ended shattering heat records around the... Read more
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Comments (7)
Guest
Thursday, December 16, 2010 -- 4:00 PM
Piaget offered his hierarchy of childhood developmPiaget offered his hierarchy of childhood development, of which many of us are aware: pre-operational, concrete operational and formal operational thinking, and he gave us general age distinctions, plus or minus a year or so, within which he contended these levels of development occurred. I have an idea or two of my own.
Children, I believe, are not constrained by the conventions we as adults are compelled to adhere to. They do not suffer from fear of rejection, because up until they are kicked out of the nest, they are the center of their universe. Or pretty much so. The humorist and show host, Art Linkletter, used to say: kids say the darndest things. And they do.
Innocence breeds honesty, and inasmuch as their minds are not occupied with the worries and responsibilities of adulthood, they are free to wander and muse upon ideas, feelings and such that their parents have long since forgotten---or put away for future reference. Many of us have done that. Natural philosophers? Sure they are. They have the advantage of age. And we thought we had all the fun. The gift is tentative, though---for very many of them it will go away---just as it did for very many of us.
Guest
Friday, December 17, 2010 -- 4:00 PM
And for some of us---it comes back. Later. After wAnd for some of us---it comes back. Later. After we no longer need be concerned with the cares and worries of adulthood,---keeping a job we hated; pleasing a boss we could not help but disrespect. Or, at best, dislike intensely. No, philosophy has been approached in differing ways---mosty as an adult pursuit. I applaud your post regarding children as philosophers. Very astute, and somehow timely, given the season, which is and ought to be for kids anyway. There are other things that suit children for philosophy. But, I won't hog the show. Comments, anyone?
Guest
Saturday, December 18, 2010 -- 4:00 PM
Before our childrens' minds are clouded by theorieBefore our childrens' minds are clouded by theories and faiths, they see only the simple truth.
If you look close you'll see the light in their eyes.
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Guest
Saturday, December 18, 2010 -- 4:00 PM
KIDS AS PHILOSOPHERS Thanks for these two provoKIDS AS PHILOSOPHERS
Thanks for these two provocative comments, which show that eventhough what "doing philosophy" means doesn't change with age, the outcome of the practice may be influenced by age.
If philosophy is the rational contemplation of thoughts (my def.), when do kids develop this ability?
First, when do they develop rationality?
Kids all can think (however you define it) almost (?) at birth, indicated by observing them, looking to see if their behaviour suggests intentionality. The behaviour could be called instinctive at first, but then as the behaviour is repeated to some desired end, it can be called intentional.
When does thinking become rational? When the child's thoughts become confirmed as leading to a result which the observing philosopher decides is desireable, thereby recognizing rationality of the child.
The child too, like all of us, seeks confirmation of what it believes. "Belief" is probably closer to the thought process of children than is scientific deduction at this stage. And we all have an "instinct" for the desire for confirmation of what we believe. "Rational" is what we philosophers call the child's thinking at this point; the child regards it as rational when it produces, or suggests it would produce, the desired result (one kind of confirmation).
For thought to be "philosophical," it must be confirmed in some additional way.
How is the child's philosophical thinking confirmed? Usually by finding co-incidence with the social group most influential and seen to be most successful, as the child defines success. And what a good example of philosophical thinking is "defining success," for instance?
So, when do children develop the ability to rationally contemplate thought? When they have had some threshhold experience of the connection between thinking and result, and when the desireability and success, in the child's view, of the conclusions about the thoughts, are confirmed.
Why was that child acting up and crying and screaming in the coffeehouse yesterday? Is he in physical pain; is he hungry or thirsty? No; he is behaving in some way that he knows is successful to some end he desires, confirmed either by his own past use of the behaviour, and/or by his observation of other people in his society successfully using it.
Guest
Saturday, December 18, 2010 -- 4:00 PM
Good comments and perspectives from all thus far.Good comments and perspectives from all thus far. My compliments and congratulations. Kids are consumate experts at mimicry and they know the best and worst ways of gaining attention and getting what they want. We, as adults, have to know when to reward; when to encourage; and when to say no. Unfortunately, an overly permissive society is making this much harder, transforming inquisitive accolytes into calculating manipulators. Yes, I believe parents might get some pointers from reading and absorbing Piaget's work---if they would take the time and have the courage to do so.
Just one person's opinion, though...
Guest
Sunday, January 2, 2011 -- 4:00 PM
I guess I would classify as a "child". I am twelveI guess I would classify as a "child". I am twelve years old and I have an interest in philosophy. As you stated earlier children do not always think rationally. I believe that that alone enables us to view philosophical issues with a different and occasionally better solution.
Your thoughts?
Guest
Tuesday, December 25, 2012 -- 4:00 PM
I remember Piaget fromI remember Piaget from studying to be a teacher. I don't know of anything that has really overturned his work in all the intervening years.
AJUthinker noted that "children do not always think rationally." One of course should define what it is to "think rationally." People (including adults speaking to or about children) often use it to mean "think like I do." Slightly better is to define it as something like "is reasonable" or "thinks in a way that stands to reason." Reason, though, is just a tool. The best definition I know of is "recognizes cause and effect."
By that last definition, children indeed do not always think rationally. Neither do adults. Neither do philosophers always. So think on, and don't worry too much about "rationality." Great discoveries in almost every field, especially philosophy, are often intuitive leaps - we fill in the rational parts of the path after having glimpsed the destination.