Levels of Reality
Nov 23, 2008Are there levels of reality, with each level emerging from the other in a way that provides a truly new aspect of reality?
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Are there levels of reality, with each level emerging from the other in a way that provides a truly new aspect of reality?
Why do some people have a strange desire to do weird things for no (good) reason? There's something fascinating about kids who eat laundry soap as part of a “challenge,” or people who deliberately... Read more
Making a better world would be a great thing—but do we need philosophers to help us do that? Famously (or infamously), not all philosophers have been such great people. So are they the folks we... Read more
In her time—the 4th century CE—Hypatia was one of the most famous philosophers in Alexandria, and indeed in the ancient world. She studied and taught mathematics,... Read more
Mexican philosophy is full of fascinating ideas, from Mexica ("Aztec") and Mayan thought to Sor Juana’s feminism and Emilio Uranga’s existentialism... Read more
Your friendly neighborhood Senior Prodcuer here, once again stepping out from behind the mixing board to bring you some bonus content from this week's 17th (!) annual Summer Reading special.... Read more
Gender is a controversial topic these days. To some, gender is an oppressive system designed to keep women down: people go around saying "girls are made of sugar and spice and boys are made of... Read more
Fascism is on the rise, new infectious diseases keep cropping up, and we’re on the verge of environmental collapse: how on earth could art possibly save us? The arts are may be nice distraction,... Read more
Some say the world is full of contradictions, like “parting is such sweet sorrow.” Parting is sweet, but parting is also sad; and sweetness and sadness are opposites. But logicians would say that... Read more
Our minds are amazing prediction machines—and sometimes they can even make their predictions come true!
Does reading that strike you as something out of The Secret—like if you... Read more
Derek Parfit was a really interesting thinker when it came to identity and the self. He had a particularly cool thought experiment involving tele-transportation.
Suppose you’re on your... Read more
When philosophers talk about perception, they tend to focus on what we see and hear, and rarely on what we smell. But olfaction is a strange sense that deserves greater philosophical scrutiny. For... Read more
A caller in this week's episode nominated "Women Talking" for a Dionysus Award. Guest co-host Jeremy Sabol takes that as a springboard to blog about movies and... Read more
This week we’re thinking about Cancel Culture, which some consider a real problem: people losing their jobs, being harassed online, their home addresses being shared—all because they said... Read more
This week we’re asking why we should trust science—which may sound like a weird question. After all, why would we doubt the method that helps us build bridges and skyscrapers, formulate life... Read more
Following up on last year's not-so-new experiment, here's a little behind-the-scenes look into the brief audio montages (produced... Read more
This week we’re asking what it’s... Read more
This essay also appears at the website of Oxford University Press, publisher of Josh's new book,
"The World According to Proust."
... Read more
This week we’re thinking about how to create a world in which our leaders are not just effective legislators, but also good people.
Some might think there are not enough leaders like that... Read more
This week we're thinking about the British Liberal tradition and its relationship to colonialism and self-government. Classical Liberal thinkers, like John Locke and John Stuart Mill, held that... Read more
This week we’re thinking about Collective Action and Climate Change. With floods and fires getting more frequent and intense, and with the summer just ended shattering heat records around the... Read more
This week we’re thinking about cultural appropriation and asking who owns culture—which may be a weird way of thinking about it. It's easy to see how somebody can own the rights to a song they... Read more
This week we’re questioning Effective Altruism. That’s Peter Singer’s idea that you should do the most good you can, and you should figure out what that is by doing your homework and choosing the... Read more
This week we're asking what Political Inequality is. Sounds easy to define, right? That’s when some people don’t get an equal voice in society, because they’re not represented in government, or... Read more
This week we're asking whether it's rational to be optimistic—which seems like bit of a crazy question if you've been reading the news lately. After all, what could possibly justify the belief... Read more
This week we're thinking about the Changing Face of Antisemitism—a program recorded last month at the Stanford Humanities Center for our first live, in-person event in 2-1/2 years.
... Read more
Are there levels of reality, with each level emerging from the other in a way that provides a truly new aspect of reality?
Why do some people have a strange desire to do weird things for no (good) reason? There's something fascinating about kids who eat laundry soap as part of a “challenge,” or people who deliberately... Read more
Making a better world would be a great thing—but do we need philosophers to help us do that? Famously (or infamously), not all philosophers have been such great people. So are they the folks we... Read more
In her time—the 4th century CE—Hypatia was one of the most famous philosophers in Alexandria, and indeed in the ancient world. She studied and taught mathematics,... Read more
Mexican philosophy is full of fascinating ideas, from Mexica ("Aztec") and Mayan thought to Sor Juana’s feminism and Emilio Uranga’s existentialism... Read more
Your friendly neighborhood Senior Prodcuer here, once again stepping out from behind the mixing board to bring you some bonus content from this week's 17th (!) annual Summer Reading special.... Read more
Gender is a controversial topic these days. To some, gender is an oppressive system designed to keep women down: people go around saying "girls are made of sugar and spice and boys are made of... Read more
Fascism is on the rise, new infectious diseases keep cropping up, and we’re on the verge of environmental collapse: how on earth could art possibly save us? The arts are may be nice distraction,... Read more
Some say the world is full of contradictions, like “parting is such sweet sorrow.” Parting is sweet, but parting is also sad; and sweetness and sadness are opposites. But logicians would say that... Read more
Our minds are amazing prediction machines—and sometimes they can even make their predictions come true!
Does reading that strike you as something out of The Secret—like if you... Read more
Derek Parfit was a really interesting thinker when it came to identity and the self. He had a particularly cool thought experiment involving tele-transportation.
Suppose you’re on your... Read more
When philosophers talk about perception, they tend to focus on what we see and hear, and rarely on what we smell. But olfaction is a strange sense that deserves greater philosophical scrutiny. For... Read more
A caller in this week's episode nominated "Women Talking" for a Dionysus Award. Guest co-host Jeremy Sabol takes that as a springboard to blog about movies and... Read more
This week we’re thinking about Cancel Culture, which some consider a real problem: people losing their jobs, being harassed online, their home addresses being shared—all because they said... Read more
This week we’re asking why we should trust science—which may sound like a weird question. After all, why would we doubt the method that helps us build bridges and skyscrapers, formulate life... Read more
Following up on last year's not-so-new experiment, here's a little behind-the-scenes look into the brief audio montages (produced... Read more
This week we’re asking what it’s... Read more
This essay also appears at the website of Oxford University Press, publisher of Josh's new book,
"The World According to Proust."
... Read more
This week we’re thinking about how to create a world in which our leaders are not just effective legislators, but also good people.
Some might think there are not enough leaders like that... Read more
This week we're thinking about the British Liberal tradition and its relationship to colonialism and self-government. Classical Liberal thinkers, like John Locke and John Stuart Mill, held that... Read more
This week we’re thinking about Collective Action and Climate Change. With floods and fires getting more frequent and intense, and with the summer just ended shattering heat records around the... Read more
This week we’re thinking about cultural appropriation and asking who owns culture—which may be a weird way of thinking about it. It's easy to see how somebody can own the rights to a song they... Read more
This week we’re questioning Effective Altruism. That’s Peter Singer’s idea that you should do the most good you can, and you should figure out what that is by doing your homework and choosing the... Read more
This week we're asking what Political Inequality is. Sounds easy to define, right? That’s when some people don’t get an equal voice in society, because they’re not represented in government, or... Read more
This week we're asking whether it's rational to be optimistic—which seems like bit of a crazy question if you've been reading the news lately. After all, what could possibly justify the belief... Read more
This week we're thinking about the Changing Face of Antisemitism—a program recorded last month at the Stanford Humanities Center for our first live, in-person event in 2-1/2 years.
... Read more
Comments (8)
MIke
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
Isn't emergence just a word for layman to oversimpIsn't emergence just a word for layman to oversimplify the complexities of the world?
MIke
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
I mean, to add on to this, is the verb "emerge" liI mean, to add on to this, is the verb "emerge" like the verb "create" that Creationists know and love?
Seems profound but doesn't explain anything.
MIke
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
Seem like you think of "emergentism" as a way to dSeem like you think of "emergentism" as a way to deny reductionism, but don't you have to accept reductionism to understand emergentism to begin with?
Guest
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
Wonderful program, as usual. Three points: 1.Wonderful program, as usual.
Three points:
1. Conversations about ?emergence? (like any conversation of anything that tries to explain something) assumes that we can converse/communicate about it. Thus, emergence is as constructed as anything else. [Yes, I am a radical constructivist.] The workings of the physical world, of which we are a part, is only present, because we communicate about it. How this communication is constructed/organized become (my) the philosophical problem. Simply: speaking of emergence assumes a position of an observer outside of what is observed. All I can observe, however, is you observing.
2. Niklas Luhmann, especially in his (untranslated) ?Society and its Science? (Die Wissenschaft der Gesellschaft) deals quite comprehensively with this.
3. Stanislaw Lem, in his ?The Invincible? (first published 164, translated into English 1973) deals in a harrowing way with the ?supremacy? of the non-thinking ?whatever-it-is? over the thinking human.
Guest
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
Mike, your question (at 10:46) is a good one. I thMike, your question (at 10:46) is a good one. I think you are right up to a point: getting an empirical grip on the impact of an emergent or holistic property on a system's behavior requires that you have a very good understanding of the workings of the system's parts, so that you can determine just what the difference is from what you would have expected in the absence of the property.
That doesn't mean, though, that you have to accept a thorough-going reductionism. It's just that you have to start with the underlying processes. This suggests that scientists should be 'methodological reductionists' -- proceed on the assumption that there is a great deal to be learned about the system in terms of the inner workings of its parts. And that of course is how sciences do in general proceed. But doing so is consistent with the belief that there are, or might be, limits to this approach.
Guest
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
At several points in the discussion this morning,At several points in the discussion this morning, Ken used the word ?mysterious? to convey his discomfort with the notion of emergence. Mystery is revered in theology, but seems to be a term of derision in the scientific sphere. Yet, reductionism has its own share of deep mysteries, and Ken seems quite comfortable with his ?firm faith? that reductionism will ultimately triumph over its many mysteries. Might this be a case of inserting a materialist god into the same gaps where theists have inserted theirs?
One caller introduced the notion of intelligence evolving out of the quantum flux of the big bang and the universe becoming aware of itself. While I appreciate the religious sentiment behind this creation myth, I believe it?s no more or less valid a statement of faith than that of many sacred traditions. Whether we garb our beliefs about the deep mysteries of existence in sacred or secular language, we are nonetheless venturing beyond the domain of certainty and are firmly in the realm of the unknown and possibly unknowable.
Science and religion share common mysteries, and it?s important that both approach the unknown with rigor and humility, not substituting ?firm faith? for theories that can be verified through experiment. This is not to discount faith, but rather to separate hopes, ideals and wishes from what is actually so in the world.
Guest
Saturday, November 22, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
Mike--I don't think you need to accept reductionisMike--I don't think you need to accept reductionism to understand emergentism. In fact, I'd consider myself an emergentist--of a sort, although my form of emergentism is probably too mild to satisfy most emergentists.
Here's why, in some sense, there are very clearly facts about the world that are not explicable in purely physical terms:
I think the following sentence is true: "Heat is molecular motion." That sounds pretty reductionist, right? But there's a catch--I don't think it's *analytically* true. "Heat" certainly doesn't *mean* "molecular motion" (despite what the Churchlands may have you believe); it is perfectly possible to understand the concept of heat without understanding the concept of molecular motion, or even molecules--people did so for tens of thousands of years.
So if "Heat is molecular motion" isn't analytic, it must be synthetic--a fact about the actual world, not a mere definitional or logical tautology. Now, is it a fact that can be described in purely physical language?(Er...let's not count "heat" as a physical term here, though it sort of is--I think most reductionists think everything should be reducable to talk of particles and motion, or substitute your favorite modern-physics equivalent.)
No. The closest we can come is "Molecular motion is molecular motion." And *that* sentence clearly *is* analytic--it doesn't express a fact about the world; it's a pure logical tautology. So there are, at least, some truths that cannot be fully reduced to, at least, dynamics. If I were more awake, I'd come up with something similar for physics in general, but you can see how the argument goes, at least.
Guest
Monday, November 24, 2008 -- 4:00 PM
I've polished up the above argument and posted itI've polished up the above argument and posted it here:
http://avromandina.net/avrom/2008/11/the-unreducability-of-reductionism/